WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.633 --> 00:00:09.960 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): All right. 2 00:00:09.990 --> 00:00:26.670 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): There I am. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our cataloging live stream. We're here in Episode 3, and I'm going to be showing you how we deal with subject headings, genre headings, classification numbers, and so on. 3 00:00:26.670 --> 00:00:40.030 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So folks who are in 5, 21. If you are watching this spoiler alert. You're going to see me doing some things that we're not used to doing just yet, but hang tight. We'll be learning this in the next few weeks 4 00:00:40.030 --> 00:00:57.080 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): for everybody else watching. I hope you enjoy seeing a little bit more of the many kinds of documentation that catalogers have to juggle while they are doing their work. So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen, I think, where we last left off in Episode 2. We had a couple of records. 5 00:00:57.120 --> 00:01:01.099 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): one for a fiction book and one for a nonfiction book. 6 00:01:02.515 --> 00:01:03.380 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And 7 00:01:04.006 --> 00:01:17.109 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): yes, see, my screen is sharing correctly. Yes, okay, so I thought it would be more fun to take a look at the nonfiction, or actually the fiction book right now. And so our fiction book was rogue 8 00:01:17.674 --> 00:01:24.335 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): protocol. We have a rather skimpy looking record here. But it is the start 9 00:01:25.464 --> 00:01:31.460 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Actually, it is very skimpy looking. I think we lost our series statement and our 10 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:40.659 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): summary as well. So let me at least fix our series statement here. This was, we need a 4 90 field. 11 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.479 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I'll go in and add this quickly. 12 00:01:59.270 --> 00:02:01.750 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We just said that this is book 3. 13 00:02:02.213 --> 00:02:06.329 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Let me add an 8, 30 as well. We can control this. 14 00:02:15.930 --> 00:02:20.910 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): This works. Actually, it needs to be an 800 under the author's name, doesn't it? 15 00:02:21.310 --> 00:02:25.860 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And then we'll it will. 16 00:02:27.490 --> 00:02:28.480 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Goodness! 17 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:44.289 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Sorry about my dog in the background. There we she is barking at somebody. 18 00:02:47.370 --> 00:02:49.760 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay, murder bot diaries. 19 00:02:49.980 --> 00:02:58.680 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I'm going to uncontrol this so that I can get my subfield Vn. 20 00:03:02.380 --> 00:03:14.580 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Not the best formatting in the world there. But we're just gonna clean that up. Okay. So we've got that back in place we need to do some subject analysis, though. Let me validate. 21 00:03:17.750 --> 00:03:40.840 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): oh, we lost our 3 3 x's as well. All right. This records got some issues. I must have left it in a haste after our last session. So I'll go ahead and fix those off camera, maybe. But let's go ahead and do what we meant to do this week, which is, do with deal with some subject analysis. So we have got our book here, rogue protocol 22 00:03:41.399 --> 00:03:46.010 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Murderbot diaries, and we can read a little bit of blurb. 23 00:03:46.840 --> 00:04:09.350 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): it just is talking about Murderbot. This is Book 3 in the series, and so in this case it might be helpful to kind of back up and see what happened in the earlier books, because it doesn't really explain to us what a murderbot is, or anything, so to help me understand? Here I've gone to the Wikipedia page for murderbot diaries, and we can see that it's about a cyborg 24 00:04:09.718 --> 00:04:19.289 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and he is fighting against a Mega corporation. There's artificial intelligence going on. There's researchers going on. We go down to rogue protocol. We can see 25 00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:23.100 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): a humanoid bot 26 00:04:23.780 --> 00:04:29.700 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): murder. Bot. Okay? So we're dealing. We've got robots here. This is obviously a sci-fi book. 27 00:04:31.570 --> 00:04:35.250 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We are on a different planet. Right? 28 00:04:36.190 --> 00:04:55.000 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So cyborgs certainly seem to be a main topic here Lcsh. Doesn't do a great job of differentiating between robots and androids and cyborgs and things like that. So I'd probably stick with what it's calling itself. It's using the word cyborg a lot 29 00:04:55.303 --> 00:05:06.830 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so if we go over to loc authorities here, I can search subjects in the same way that I would search for names, and we can go ahead and look for cyborgs and see what is going on. 30 00:05:06.900 --> 00:05:20.053 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And indeed we do have cyborgs. So what I'm looking for is that it says authorized heading and library of Congress subject heading. So this line here is exactly what I'm looking for notice. There's all kinds of 31 00:05:20.854 --> 00:05:49.270 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): subdivisions down below. We'll worry about that in a minute. I want to check my base heading and make sure I'm good to use it. So here we go, cyborgs and cybernetic organisms. A person whose physiological functioning is aided by mechanical or electronic device. We can go with this. We could also look into. See robot versus Android. But let's just go with cyborgs, for now it's what the book is calling itself. If we go into our record here. 32 00:05:51.290 --> 00:05:56.270 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Oops, I need to add a what will be a 6 50 field. 33 00:05:58.900 --> 00:06:03.919 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And this is Library of Congress subject heading. So my indicator is telling me that I'm taking it from that 34 00:06:04.596 --> 00:06:10.989 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so I can take cyborgs, and we'll use that. But for any work of fiction. 35 00:06:11.896 --> 00:06:21.400 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So by default, library of Congress, subject headings assumes everything is nonfiction. So if I left this heading, as is right now, we would assume. This is a nonfiction book about cyborgs. 36 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.669 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So that is not the case. 37 00:06:25.415 --> 00:06:34.570 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): This is absolutely fictional work here. And so what we need to do is add a subdivision at the end of it. That shows that it's fiction. 38 00:06:34.710 --> 00:06:40.810 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So for text for books. In that case it is subfield B fiction. 39 00:06:42.400 --> 00:06:49.559 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and that looks good. We can go ahead and control it the same way that we would control headings. I have to say. 40 00:06:49.580 --> 00:07:11.010 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Hey, there we go. The record manager does a fantastic job of validating subject headings for catalogers. It's often a matter of going through not only the subject headings, but also our I've got a tool up called Class Web that you're going to see me use in a minute. Here. This is where a lot of documentation that Library of Congress has 41 00:07:11.010 --> 00:07:22.110 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): about using Library of Congress subject headings and all kinds of other things. So there's a lot of instruction in here about how to assemble the headings together. How to use them. 42 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:51.859 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Record manager does a fantastic job of using all of those rules to check the headings that you've created. So it will do. It will, usually be able to tell if you've tried to create a heading that is not valid according to Lc's rules. If you put things in the wrong order, it will rearrange them to the correct order. If you have things in the wrong field or subfield, it often can figure out what you meant. So it does a really great job of fact, checking and cleaning up after you with the subject heading. So I do appreciate that. 43 00:07:52.330 --> 00:08:12.249 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Let's add a couple more in. We've got, I think, artificial intelligence maybe seems to be a big theme in there. So I used loc authorities here. We could also just search in class web Library of Congress subject headings. I'm going to go in here and search for artificial intelligence, which, of course, is a 44 00:08:13.253 --> 00:08:21.819 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): hot topic these days, and this is, of course, a artificial ankle. Misspell. Artificial. Alright. 45 00:08:22.020 --> 00:08:38.550 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): let's go back and see. Yeah, there we go. So it's a browse search, so it will always drop me where the heading should be, and in case of a typo it drops you to the next actually correct spelled thing. So in our case, we have artificial intelligence here. 46 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:57.920 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and so see if there's any narrower terms that would work. It's all like machine learning and things like that. So in our case, we could probably just say, this is a fictional book about artificial intelligence. We can subdivide it geographically, which means, if this was set somewhere specific. 47 00:08:57.920 --> 00:09:18.550 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): we could do that. It seems to be set in outer space right on a different planet. So we can capture that aspect of it. But not here. Probably. Let's go back to our record, and I'm just going to pop this in there with fiction on the end, of course, to show that this is not a nonfiction book. 48 00:09:20.630 --> 00:09:36.530 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Go ahead and control that one that's good. So extraterrestrial planets seems to be the next concept. I might want to throw that in with fiction. Often we're thinking who? What? Where? When 49 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:51.940 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): this seems to be set in a nondescript future period. So the time period isn't really capturable. We've got the who cyborgs. We've got artificial intelligence. There seems to be some illegal mining going on. We could. If that was really a big part of the book. 50 00:09:52.262 --> 00:10:07.757 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We could capture that as well. But let's at least get the setting, which seems to be in outer space. My ta is joining us here for this part. So I'm not exactly sure what to call this. I'm gonna go to new search and look for 51 00:10:08.310 --> 00:10:13.360 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): extraterrestrial planets. 52 00:10:15.646 --> 00:10:28.779 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We've got extraterrestrial radiation extraterrestrial beings, extraterritorialness we can browse back a little bit extrasensory oh, wait here. We go extras 53 00:10:29.350 --> 00:10:31.820 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): extrasolar planets, maybe 54 00:10:32.950 --> 00:10:39.870 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): extrasolar planets. Let's see what it says about it. So I'm gonna click on this little note here. 55 00:10:40.070 --> 00:10:43.530 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and we should be able to see the full record. 56 00:10:45.448 --> 00:10:48.201 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So extra solar planets. 57 00:10:49.470 --> 00:11:07.589 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): extra solar exoplanets. I think this is what it actually calls it in. Lc, so we've got our extra solar planets fiction again. I'm doing kind of a quick job here. If we read the book more carefully, read some more blurbs about it, we could probably come up with a more 58 00:11:07.892 --> 00:11:21.499 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): better fitting headings, but for now it kind of shows the process of assigning the headings. I have the concepts I'm interested in. I need to look them up in lc, and see what? How to translate it into what lc would call it. 59 00:11:22.246 --> 00:11:26.209 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So let's go ahead and add one more in here. 60 00:11:35.540 --> 00:11:58.260 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright. So we've got some of our bases covered here. That's a good job. I'm going to go ahead and save this. Just so I don't lose my work again as I lost last time. So we've handled a subject. Well, but there is the genre component to it for anything that is fiction or a movie that's you know, fictional 61 00:11:58.390 --> 00:12:25.429 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): genre headings are really helpful because users use these to figure out if they're interested in it or not. It tells them something about what to expect. Nonfiction works can have genres as well. It's less common, but I always suggest looking for something. If there is a genre heading that fits well, you should assign it because it will help somebody. In our case the genre is pretty obviously science fiction. Here. We could go and take a look, though, and see. 62 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:34.129 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I'm gonna go back to my main menu here genre form terms. And I'm gonna search science fiction 63 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:49.250 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and just see, I'm sure that this is in there. But we want to see, okay, if there's narrower terms. So if we look at the mark display for Science Fiction, we will see that it is a subdivision or a subtype, I should say, of fiction. 64 00:12:49.610 --> 00:13:19.279 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So fiction is the broader heading. Science Fiction goes underneath that in a vocabulary like the genre headings, we always want to apply the one that is the narrowest. So, even though fiction is true of this, I wouldn't want to call it fiction, because Science Fiction is an even better, narrower fit. So the question we have now is, is there any narrower term that's even better than Science Fiction that I should use Dystopian Lit. Rpg space opera steampunk? 65 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:26.479 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I don't think any of these sub genres of Science Fiction are really what's going on here. I don't think it's cyberpunk 66 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:49.080 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): It would be safe to call it Science fiction, for sure, so we can kind of just leave it at that for now. But for anything that you look up in here. So science fiction films, right we can see that there are steampunk superhero time travel. We would always want to use the narrowest term down, and even if we go under cyberpunk, we might see. 67 00:13:49.855 --> 00:14:16.349 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Nope, there's no narrower term under cyberpunk. Some of them will have even narrower terms underneath them. So science fiction looks good. This is coming from Lcgft. So I need to note that when I put it in my record there's, of course, other options for genre headings. But this is for the past 10 years or so the the main one that people will apply from at least in normal library settings, I guess. So. 68 00:14:16.780 --> 00:14:23.710 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Just because we've seen my typing skills already. Tonight, I'm gonna copy and paste this one in this is science fiction. 69 00:14:24.210 --> 00:14:41.649 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Now, I need to specify only with genre headings. I need to specify what vocabulary I am using. I do that with second Indicator 7 and Subfield 2. So the second indicator 7 tells me. I'm taking it from somewhere that I'm going to tell you, and in this case it is Lcgft. 70 00:14:42.140 --> 00:14:49.830 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and it should control this. It didn't used to control genre headings. But in the past few years oops! 71 00:14:51.410 --> 00:14:54.359 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I guess it will. I guess it still doesn't control. 72 00:14:56.620 --> 00:14:58.109 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Oh, it will. Okay. 73 00:14:58.830 --> 00:15:18.819 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): there we go, all right. It wasn't catching up to me. There we go. It is good. I've got my Lcgft heading in there. I've got a few subject headings. I've got my genre heading my series. I need my summary and my 3 3 x fields back. But we don't need to worry about at the that at the moment. 74 00:15:19.150 --> 00:15:27.240 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So we've gotten some basic subject headings for most books. Well, really, for anything. 75 00:15:27.540 --> 00:15:38.770 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): 3 you know, is a good kind of rule of thumb, although you can have sometimes something just has one subject heading. If there's only one thing going on, and it's the perfect fit you would just have that 76 00:15:39.530 --> 00:16:00.259 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): usually 2 to 5 is what you're gonna find. And for fiction, I think it helps to have a few more. If you can find some terms that you think people would be interested in. Certainly you shouldn't have more than 10 subject headings. There are rules. It's a little bit different with fiction. But for a nonfiction book. If a topic is not more. 77 00:16:00.760 --> 00:16:07.579 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): if it's not 20% or more of the book, then it's usually not considered important enough for a subject heading 78 00:16:07.880 --> 00:16:28.250 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): for fiction. Everything is kind of smooshed together, so I at least wanted to capture something about the who, the what and the where so we've got some of that down. We've got our genre heading. So this is certainly respectable. As I said, if I spent some more time reading summaries of the book. We could come up with headings that maybe fit it a little bit better. But I don't think these are wrong, anyway. 79 00:16:28.380 --> 00:16:56.559 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And again, we're just illustrating the process, not doing perfect cataloging, as you can see by my missing fields here. The next step for us with subject analysis would be classification numbers. And so the order that I'm doing this in very much is the order that most catalogers, I think, would. It's always better to start with your subject headings before you work into your classification numbers. This is because the subject headings can help us assign a classification number later, which? 80 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:01.609 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So the 81 00:17:02.390 --> 00:17:16.780 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): at least for nonfiction. For fiction books. It's a little bit different for literature in Dewey and in Lc. Classification. It's more about the time period and the form of writing. 82 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:18.550 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So 83 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:38.309 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): let's start with a Dewey number for this book. I'm going to use a tool called Web Dewey. I actually have my Dewey books over there, but we're not going to do it. They're out of date the most recent current up to date. Is 23rd edition, which is the web version. That's what folks in 5 21 will use. 84 00:17:38.830 --> 00:18:07.320 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And I already kind of know where literature goes. So I'm going to show you kind of the process of drilling down to figure out where we would put this. So what's important to me is to know what language the work is in. In this case it's English, and where the author is working from, as we found out, a couple episodes ago, I think she's in Texas, right? Yeah. So she's an American author. She writes in English. 85 00:18:07.590 --> 00:18:11.140 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): She writes in the 21st century. 86 00:18:11.290 --> 00:18:17.809 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And this is a like genre fiction, right novel fiction of some kind. 87 00:18:18.040 --> 00:18:35.090 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So for Dewey, that's enough to get me started. All literature goes in the 800 s. You'll see as we go down here. Why, a lot of libraries don't use Dewey for their fiction collections is because almost everything ends up with the same number. But I'll take you through the process of figuring out what that magic number is here. 88 00:18:35.190 --> 00:18:50.909 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So, starting with literature, if it is literature, rhetoric, and criticism, it's in 800, through 809. But literature in specific languages and language families is everything else. So 8, 10 through 890. So let's flip to that. 89 00:18:51.120 --> 00:19:02.549 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And now, here's where it depends on what language and what country you're dealing with. 8, 10 through 8, 19 is American literature in English? That is right for Martha Wells. It's what I've got going on. 90 00:19:03.190 --> 00:19:11.390 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We've got some other common areas in Dewey, English. So Uk German, French. 91 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:39.950 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and then you can see how many other languages end up in 8 90 so many things Arabic, Chinese, Russian, and so on. So this is an area where Lc. Has, or where do we has not really kept up well with? The way that publishing has worked in the past 50 years or so. But for now it doesn't matter to us. I just need to know where to put rogue protocol. This is American literature, and it's in English. So let's click on 8, 10 and go from there. 92 00:19:40.360 --> 00:19:46.130 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So we have the general topic of American literature in English. 93 00:19:46.270 --> 00:19:57.250 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We've got subdivision for specific forms, and then we've got this possible number here, English not requiring local emphasis. 94 00:19:57.360 --> 00:19:58.380 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So 95 00:19:58.510 --> 00:20:17.300 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): in this case, we're gonna want to go to specific forms because this is fiction. It's a novel. Usually there's rules about. If multiple numbers can apply, you usually would go with the lower number and in this case we're gonna start by looking in here 8, 11, through 8, 10. 96 00:20:18.770 --> 00:20:35.370 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And so we have got general literature in different time periods, and you can see that what this is telling me is that 8, 11, 8, 12, 8, 13, 8, 14, 8, 15, 8, 16, 8, 17, 8, 18.6 97 00:20:35.810 --> 00:21:03.000 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): is anything from the year 2,000 forward. So my number is gonna end in a dot 6. But I need to figure out where exactly it goes. In this case I have got American fiction. So poetry, poems, drama would be plays, fiction things like fiction science fiction, and so on. Essays, speeches miscellaneous. Again, our lowest number that hits is 8 13. So we can click on that. 98 00:21:03.690 --> 00:21:31.869 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And then you're gonna see these puzzle pieces here. This means that it's using the tables for you to construct a number. I don't need to worry about that too much right now. I just need to find the time period American fiction 2,000 forward. So 8 13.6 is looking like my number. There's a few subdivisions. We can go further in this case. If I have a collection, or it's a book of history and criticism of American fiction. From 2,000 forward we could assign that 99 00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:50.769 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): none of these really apply. I don't need to modify my number at all. Any further. 813.6 is where I would go, and every American English fiction book written since 2,000 would also go there. So they all really have the same few numbers in our case, 813.6. So 100 00:21:50.940 --> 00:22:17.290 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I'm gonna copy that number. We're going to go back to our record here, and Dewey numbers can go in a number of different places. But I'm going to put mine in the Oh, 8, 2 field, which is where library generally could assign them. And we're going to want to specify with my indicators here that I am not in the Library of Congress. Actually, let me double check this, because now, I'm not sure. Mark Tooltip. 101 00:22:18.321 --> 00:22:22.240 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I need the indicators. It's not gonna help me there. 102 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:23.840 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): All right. 103 00:22:28.520 --> 00:22:42.900 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So 1st indicator, full second indicator for is agency other than Lc. Assigning. That is correct. Alright, it just looked weird to me. But that's good. The slash tells you where a cut could come if people wanted to. 104 00:22:43.770 --> 00:23:07.710 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): shorten the number. In this case the number is pretty short. It doesn't really mean a thing. We can leave it in there, though, for now I'm just gonna leave it as is. I do need to specify what edition I'm using. And that is with Subfield 2 again, and in our case it was the 23rd edition up here. So I'll put 2, 3 in, and that should be good. Let's just go ahead and validate. 105 00:23:08.600 --> 00:23:20.640 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): It's gonna it's mad about my 3 3 x's. But we'll deal with them later. But my number has taken correctly. So we've got subject headings. We've got genre. We've got a Dewey head number here 106 00:23:20.850 --> 00:23:49.099 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and again, a lot of libraries might instead just call this fic wells. And so in that case they would put like locally, like an 0 9 0 or an 0 9 9 field in the mark record that just says Fic wells, and that would be what's used to print out a spine label if the book is just being shelved in fiction now they might have a science fiction collection instead. So it might be Sci-fi wells. And so that's fine. Libraries can handle that in any number of ways. 107 00:23:50.300 --> 00:23:52.869 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Most public libraries are not going to put 108 00:23:53.030 --> 00:23:59.529 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): 8 13.6 wells on it, because you can imagine how many shelves of books you would have under 8 13.6 109 00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:30.750 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): lc. Is a different story here. Most Lc libraries will use the Lc numbers for fictional works, and you'll see that there's a lot more numerical space for that. It's still based on language and time period. And it's actually rather cumbersome. But I'm going to show you how we would figure out exactly what's going on here. We have some tricks to kind of get us ahead because we have subject headings, and we have a Dewey number already. 110 00:24:31.250 --> 00:24:58.850 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): But again, in Lc. Literature goes together by language and time period, it's not about its topic. So unfortunately, we don't have a shelf of books about, you know science fiction about cyborgs instead, we've got all the authors who are writing in the 21st century together. So if we go back into Lc. Class web, a tool that we have access to in the 5 21 class, all kinds of interesting things that this tool can do. 111 00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:20.090 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): One of the things is called bibliographic correlation. Where, if I put in a number, it can try to guess what the corresponding value would be in a different system. I can put in subject headings and turn them into numbers. I can put in doing numbers and put them as Lc. Numbers, and so on. 112 00:25:20.260 --> 00:25:32.639 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): All of these are like, none of them are perfect. Right? It gives you a starting point. It doesn't answer the question it gives you places to look so. Don't take what it says. You know as 113 00:25:34.710 --> 00:25:46.250 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): as a perfect answer. But in our case we have got 8 13.6. Let's go ahead and try to convert that to an Lc number. It's gonna be crazy, but it can at least get us started in the right point 114 00:25:48.736 --> 00:25:59.909 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so you can see what happens here. Is different. Call numbers, and it shows how many things Elsie has shelved under or around that. 115 00:26:00.070 --> 00:26:06.110 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So PS. 3, 6 0, 3 is coming up a lot. 116 00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:11.800 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Ps. 3, 6, 0, 6. I know kind of where I need to go. 117 00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:20.699 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Literature is very strange, for Lc, I know that English literature is Ps, so we're in there somewhere, but we're within the thousands of numbers. 118 00:26:20.850 --> 00:26:31.410 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): If I click on this it will take me to American literature, individual authors, 2,000 forward, and then it's by groups of authors by their last name. 119 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:49.649 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So this is really weird. This is an exceptionally strange part of the Lc schedules. This is why the P. Class there's like there's whole classes that you can take on assigning in P's. I think Ala has a class on using the P classification schedule because there's so much going on here 120 00:26:51.120 --> 00:26:53.769 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): for English literature. American literature. 121 00:26:54.787 --> 00:27:04.379 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): In contemporary American literature. What happens is that you 1st find the set of numbers for the letter of your person's last name. 122 00:27:05.340 --> 00:27:28.039 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and then you try to find space for them underneath that. So in our case, we need to work our way over to W. For wells, we are in American literature, individual authors 2,001. We're in C right now. We really need to book it quite a ways to get over into W. So I'm going to browse. And we can see here that we're moving letter by letter here, or chunk by chunk. 123 00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:33.680 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright. So here is. Let's go back a bit, and we'll see where it started. 124 00:27:34.421 --> 00:27:38.340 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Cause. This is a very weird part of the schedule. 125 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:40.150 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): W. 126 00:27:40.621 --> 00:27:50.190 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So you see, it's kind of hard to tell here on the screen, but the number I've got is Ps. 3, 6, 2, 3, dot a to Z. 127 00:27:50.240 --> 00:28:16.189 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So that tells me the 1st number I've got is Ps. 3,623. That's going to be the start of our number here and then. And this is a very rare thing that happens just in a few parts in the schedule. It is going to tell us to take the second letter of the last name and split the name out by that. So in this case we take the W. Off of the last name, and we're left with L's. And now we need to build a number based off of L's. 128 00:28:16.190 --> 00:28:21.142 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We can browse forward a bit to see some other names and what they 129 00:28:21.930 --> 00:28:23.669 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): kind of look like. 130 00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:27.009 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So you can see that, Williams. 131 00:28:27.170 --> 00:28:32.529 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): It's turned into i. 5, 5, 6, 4, 3. It's cuttering off of iliums 132 00:28:33.096 --> 00:28:38.499 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): in this case. Whistler, Chrissy with oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to click that 133 00:28:39.310 --> 00:28:44.190 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Chrissy Whistler here is I. 8, 4, 7, 7, because it's 134 00:28:44.600 --> 00:28:52.709 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): basing the number off of Isler instead of Whistler, so I need to build mine off of L's. It means I will have.ps. 135 00:28:54.280 --> 00:29:03.910 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): let's see, is that right? 3, 5, 7, 3, 3, 6, 2, 3. 136 00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:07.409 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Let me back up a little bit here. 137 00:29:14.390 --> 00:29:15.240 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Yeah. 138 00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:18.559 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Yeah. So 3, 5, 7, 3 is too old. I need. 139 00:29:19.250 --> 00:29:21.799 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Yeah, 3, 6, 2, 3 is what I thought. 140 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:27.489 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): the number we had gotten before was 6, 0, 3. Okay. 141 00:29:27.860 --> 00:29:36.020 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so probably I need to cutter the word L's, so E, we can use the Lc cutter table actually to do this 142 00:29:36.490 --> 00:29:47.750 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): if we go back into our menu. Go to main menu and then cataloging policy documentation. 143 00:29:48.934 --> 00:29:53.469 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): We can look for the cutter table down here. 144 00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:02.319 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Now. I'm blanking on exactly where it goes. The subject headings. Manual. 145 00:30:02.490 --> 00:30:03.360 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay. 146 00:30:04.580 --> 00:30:10.399 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so it is in here and I'm blanking on the 8 sheet number. I will just look up Lc cutter table online. 147 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:28.309 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay, it's G 63. That is the sheet that I could not remember the number we needed. It's back here, but we've got it up in front of us. And so in our case we're covering the word l's so ELLS. 148 00:30:28.410 --> 00:30:32.880 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): After an initial vowel, an L would be 4. 149 00:30:34.520 --> 00:30:41.620 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay, so I've got e 4, and then after expansion 150 00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:51.720 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): LS. So I might have 4, something like E, 4, 5 7. 151 00:30:52.470 --> 00:31:13.549 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): The cutter number is going to depend on what is already on your shelf there. So if you're an Lc. Classification schedule library I would go to my shelf and say, Okay, I've got something by Adam Wells and something by Zelda Wells, and Martha needs to fit in between the 2 of them. So if Adam is 4, 5, and Zelda is 4, 7, 152 00:31:13.550 --> 00:31:25.828 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): then maybe you know 4, 6 would work for Martha, and that's fine. That's all I need to do in our case. We're in a hypothetical library of our own. I'm gonna go ahead and put 153 00:31:26.670 --> 00:31:34.310 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): our number in I have. Oh, goodness! Let's go back again. I will write it down. 154 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.929 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): It looks like it is. Ps. 155 00:31:39.590 --> 00:31:47.989 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): 3, 6, 2, 3, dot. E, 4, 5, 7. 156 00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:58.130 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So let's go in there. We are doing an 0 5 0 field and that is where our Lc numbers go. 157 00:31:58.620 --> 00:32:01.859 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): I believe I'm gonna have to look up the 158 00:32:05.690 --> 00:32:09.040 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): my indicators again. Okay, so 0, 159 00:32:09.990 --> 00:32:14.890 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): okay, blank and 4 is what I need in this case. 160 00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:24.289 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): because I don't know whether Elsie has a copy of it, and I am not working there, so I've got my number here. PS. 161 00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:33.050 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): 3, 6, 2, 3, dot. 162 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:54.239 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): E. 4, 5, 7. When there's 2 cutters. In our case there's going to be the 1st one goes right in subfield. A. Everything else goes in subfield B. Now I need to cutter based on the title, and that is rogue, so we can go back to my cutter table after initial consonant. Then an O is 6, 163 00:32:54.690 --> 00:32:57.290 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so I've got R. 6. 164 00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:01.559 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): If we want to go one further we could 165 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:23.310 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so we would go to G, which is G 4. We could just call it 6, 4, I think, and we'd be safe. Probably just 6 would be fine again. I'm going to want to make sure that all of the books by Martha wells go in order. So if there's another book with an R title, it's more important how I cut her this word right now it doesn't matter so much. 166 00:33:23.310 --> 00:33:38.080 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So. R. 6, 4, and then we'll usually end it with the year of publication down here. We've got 2018, so I will put that in there, and we have got a classification number for this. Now let's go ahead and validate. 167 00:33:38.486 --> 00:33:45.669 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And of course it's mad at me. Let's fix those 3 3 x fields right now. So 3, 3, 6, 168 00:33:46.580 --> 00:33:51.129 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): and I can actually just use this text unmediated volume. 169 00:33:54.760 --> 00:34:02.219 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): yes. Okay. So it will try to like fill them in for you by default. You can use these little 170 00:34:02.835 --> 00:34:08.359 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): arrows down here. I think this looks good. Actually, let's go ahead and validate again. 171 00:34:09.810 --> 00:34:17.679 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright, now I'm like worried. I missed something else in the record. But we've actually got a pretty good record going on. I certainly want my 172 00:34:18.404 --> 00:34:21.729 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): summary. Let's see if we can find 173 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.899 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): she has like a website we were looking at. Yeah, okay. 174 00:34:46.730 --> 00:34:47.610 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): okay. 175 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.391 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So it's not like the best 176 00:34:51.670 --> 00:35:02.790 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): description, but at least I've got something. I do want to get a summary in there, because it looks like naked to me without one. So put a 5 20 in and then we will say. 177 00:35:06.752 --> 00:35:09.730 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): website the same where I got it from. 178 00:35:10.408 --> 00:35:12.919 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Let's go ahead and validate this. 179 00:35:14.250 --> 00:35:21.110 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright. So this is looking really good. Now, actually, I mean, this is kind of ready to go. We've got our 180 00:35:21.570 --> 00:35:27.959 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): classification numbers. We did our authority work with just the name and the series here 181 00:35:28.910 --> 00:35:32.708 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): we've got our 3 3 x's, finally, our pages. 182 00:35:33.530 --> 00:35:44.349 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): subject headings. We could always tighten those up a bit if needed, but otherwise we've got a pretty complete record at this point. So let's go ahead and validate it one more time. 183 00:35:50.580 --> 00:36:08.829 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright. So now for fun, we could try to see if the number I picked here maps back to 8 13.6. So let's go ahead and go back to our correlation. I still can't help feeling I didn't do something right on this one. But I think it's actually looking pretty good. 184 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.350 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): And bibliographic correlations. 185 00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:21.720 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay, so Elsie, class to Dewey is the very 1st one. 186 00:36:23.970 --> 00:36:27.060 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Okay, yeah. 8 13.6. All right, we're good. 187 00:36:27.589 --> 00:36:46.429 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): It just looks weird to me for some reason. But the p's always look super weird. Of course I was a music cataloger, so I usually only had to assign M. And N. Numbers P's are quite a trip we, of course, in 5 21 are gonna have to deal with them for one of our books that we've been working on. 188 00:36:47.650 --> 00:36:56.179 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): Alright. We've got a nonfiction book in the save file. But, I don't think we need to. Well, I probably don't have time to start that up. I know we've got to get 189 00:36:56.720 --> 00:37:17.860 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): ready for class here in a little bit, so I think this is probably a good place to call it for this episode. It kind of gives you a good rundown of the different places. I would have to look and consider different things. I'd have to consider when coming up with subject genre and classification numbers. We fix some other stuff on this record, and it's looking pretty good now. So I'm pleased with that. 190 00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:39.909 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): so we will be back in a couple weeks. Episodes 4 and 5 are supposed to be special topics, special formats. I haven't decided exactly what we are going to catalog yet, but I'll be back in a couple weeks, I guess, with a surprise. We'll see something that is not a book, and probably get a chance to see some more subject analysis as part of that as well. 191 00:37:39.910 --> 00:37:52.519 Brian Clark Dobreski (he/him/his): So thanks folks for tuning in. If you're watching this at a later time, feel free to send me questions that you've got about what you saw, otherwise I will be back in a couple of weeks for another episode, so I'll see you then.